Shop More Submit  Join Login
×

More from deviantART



Details

Submitted on
October 3, 2013
Link
Thumb

Stats

Views
293
Favourites
3 (who?)
Comments
8
×
This is something that's been bugging me for quite a while now. For anyone who claims to enjoy the Klonoa series, I'd like to ask: aside from artistic similarities to Sonic the Hedgehog, what do you truly like about Klonoa? For me, I adore the series with a passion, because the level design and mechanics are very fun and clever, the characters are incredibly lovable, and it has an irresistible style and charm that few other games can match.

The reason I ask this is because I've been seeing more and more of these Sonic/Klonoa fusions from those who claim to like the Klonoa games, and now it seems to be getting out-of-hand. "Super Klonoa", as it's called, is obviously Klonoa mixed with Super Sonic, with almost identical features (unclothed, Super Saiyan, brighter colors, etc.)
First, I'd like to get this off my chest before I say anything else: I don't like Sonic the Hedgehog as a character. I can enjoy some of his games such as Adventure 2, but I just don't like Sonic, nor do I like the rest of the cast (especially Tails). I don't want to go off-topic, so I'm just gonna sum up why I dislike his character: they try to make him seem like a cool-headed show-off kind of hero, but I just find him annoying and kind of an asshole (whereas other characters, like classic Dante, pull the show-off trope much better in my opinion)

You can call me biased or whatever you want, but the reason this bothers me so much, is because this constant fusion of one of my all-time favorite games and Sonic the Hedgehog sends a message to everyone else that the Klonoa series simply does not have what it takes to be a standalone franchise without leeching off the style of another franchise. The only reason Klonoa is related to Sonic at all, is because his Lunatea's Veil design has a somewhat similar anatomy to Tails. Aside from that, Klonoa and Sonic are nothing alike. This is especially bothersome since Klonoa's not that well-known to begin with, and nowadays, the only thing keeping the series alive is the web comic on ShiftyLook. Turning him into a Sonic character doesn't make things any better. I know that people have their reasons for liking something, and I don't want to make any assumptions myself, but claiming to be a fan for the sole fact that it looks like something else is entirely invalid. Visual similarities should be what grabs your attention to the game, not what makes the game truly great

I don't want people to only acknowledge the series as "that game that looks like Sonic." I just want Klonoa to get the attention he deserves, especially for his own merits...

So I ask again, what do you truly like about Klonoa?
  • Mood: Unhappy
Add a Comment:
 
:iconhelloapples:
HelloApples Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013
It's really sad to see how people think Klonoa needs to be like Sonic in order to achieve greater fame. The fact that they're trying to push such ideas is shameful, and the fact that they don't realize they're doing harm is even more shameful. It's almost like they can't understand the feelings of someone else, like if they were diagnosed with a certain mental disorder that the Sonic series is commonly associated with.

They're not fans of the Klonoa series. They never were and they never will be. It's as simple as that.

How pathetic.
Reply
:iconklonoa-rainbow-dash:
Klonoa-Rainbow-Dash Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2013
Before you even reply, btw, please see my replies to Muuv. And I'd like to say this as well, something Muuv and I chatted about together before we had to part ways on Steam.

There's a saying out there. It varies, but they all mean the same thing. "Listen only to your heart." With that, it is clear that my heart is telling me to always stick with the things I like or love about, even if others may hate it or laugh about it like a low self-esteemed douchebag that I used to know. Thus, I made it clear that in the Steam chat that nothing you say or do will convince me otherwise and will stray me from my path... Is my heart in the wrong place? Am I a fanboy for wanting Super Klonoa/Dash to be canon? Maybe to you guys, but to me and others, no. What is wrong to one may be right to another. That's just the way it works in this cruel world of ours.

So in closing, may we both continue our paths. As Muuv has said to me last, don't lose your way. Don't give up in trying to move Klonoa away from Sonic, just as I won't give up in trying to push Super Klonoa out there. And that's all I have to say here.

Any further replies, as selfish as this sounds, will be promptly ignored on sight. Persist, and I won't hesitate to block you or report you to the DA staff. This is your only warning.

~SK
Reply
:iconklonoa-rainbow-dash:
Klonoa-Rainbow-Dash Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2013
The reason I ask this is because I've been seeing more and more of these Sonic/Klonoa fusions from those who claim to like the Klonoa games, and now it seems to be getting out-of-hand. "Super Klonoa", as it's called, is obviously Klonoa mixed with Super Sonic, with almost identical features (unclothed, Super Saiyan, brighter colors, etc.)

You can rightfully pinpoint me and me alone (well, other than others who like the idea and do gifts for me, that is) as the cause of such artwork. I have no problem admitting that.

Well, let me just say this, then. While I respect that don't like Sonic, honestly, you and other certain Klonoa fans are no different than the people who are against Super Dash going canon. Really. I find the reasons against both character concepts pretty damn uninformed and stupid, seriously. "oh they're too much like sonic, oh they're unoriginal. wah wah wah." I'd confront them directly, but as I've said, the last time I did that a few years ago, it was the start of a pretty hellish time for me. Something I now deeply regret doing, which is the very reason why you don't see me on ShiftyLook often, because I don't want to repeat the same mistakes again.

Thing is, though, I actually have people who like both character concepts. I actually have supporters, you know. People who don't mind or prefer Klonoa being unclothed, or Rainbow Dash turning into a flaming pegasus of light. And so, as long as I have those supporters, I will keep going. You can count on that.

So if my stuff bothers you so much, then you have the right to ignore them. You didn't have to do this journal at all, you know. Otherwise, it's just going to be a clash of ideals over and over and over again.

Which ultimately just proves my point about this fanbase. Albeit small, it's just as split as any other fanbase. Sonic, MLP, hell, even Gran Turismo of all things for god's sake... I guess that's life for you, really. =/
Reply
:iconhelloapples:
HelloApples Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2013
No offense, but you are using your past as an obstacle to hide behind, an excuse to not include information and details as to why you believe Klonoa needs a super form. You are very adamant about this concept, but you are quick to run away when someone decides to confront you about it, directly or not. Instead of doing that, inform the "naysayers" why Klonoa needs to be super, so you can prove your point. I don't agree with you, but if this is what you truly seek, then defend it with pride. Why are our opinions stupid? Tell us!

In believing he needs a super form, you are implying that the series (and by extension, Klonoa himself) is very weak and requires something "badass" and "super cool" to stand on its own two legs, when they're both already powerful in their own right. The series itself has never been about attitude anyway. It's always been about dreams, and adventures in those dreams. Magical, enchanted, whimsical dream worlds where anything is possible, with incredible, vibrant, breathtaking locations where people actually live. Wait a minute... that already sounds badass and super cool!

Klonoa himself has a destiny, a very tragic one. The fact that he can shoulder the pain of each of every world that he enters, the pain of the people who need his help, and even his own personal pain, for all of eternity requires some -serious- physical AND mental fortitude on his part. He's had his own strength, and it's all he's ever really needed. Saying he needs any kind of   ascended form to hold his own is an insult, and precisely why there are people who are opposing your concept. Klonoa isn't weak. Not in the slightest. 

It's nice that you have supporters, like-minded people are valuable to have, but as you've built this fanbase-within-a-fanbase, you've led yourself to believe that your group has become a decisive portion of the main Klonoa fanbase, and in doing so, think that the fanbase is split when you find out that there are people who don't agree with you and your concept. That's not true at all. The fanbase isn't split. If anything, you yourself created this "split" you've mentioned, so you have no one to blame but yourself.

You say that you don't want to make the same mistakes again. No one wants to make the same mistake twice, but... picking at the stab prevents the wound from healing, and you end up with a disfiguring scar. :( (Sad) 
Reply
:iconklonoa-rainbow-dash:
Klonoa-Rainbow-Dash Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2013
No offense, but you are using your past as an obstacle to hide behind, an excuse to not include information and details as to why you believe Klonoa needs a super form. You are very adamant about this concept, but you are quick to run away when someone decides to confront you about it, directly or not. Instead of doing that, inform the "naysayers" why Klonoa needs to be super, so you can prove your point. I don't agree with you, but if this is what you truly seek, then defend it with pride. Why are our opinions stupid? Tell us!

If it takes another "Why Super Dash needs to be canon"-style journal, then I will do it as you ask. I won't hesitate. Its just that, at the time, well, I had become way too obsessed with SK and Sonic/Klonoa crossovers. Too obsessed to even respect others' disagreements. I should also note that I was a moderator at the forums, so in combo with that, I pretty much fucked it all up and was stripped of my position and eventually was banned from the forums... There's more to this, but that would be going off-topic. Let's just say that the forums had more than one problem.

Btw, I mistook your tone here. I can see you're trying to be rational here. Sorry, please forgive the message I left on Steam, then.

In believing he needs a super form, you are implying that the series (and by extension, Klonoa himself) is very weak and requires something "badass" and "super cool" to stand on its own two legs, when they're both already powerful in their own right. The series itself has never been about attitude anyway. It's always been about dreams, and adventures in those dreams. Magical, enchanted, whimsical dream worlds where anything is possible, with incredible, vibrant, breathtaking locations where people actually live. Wait a minute... that already sounds badass and super cool!

Well... you could already apply some of those same traits to Sonic, actually. At least in the games where the stories don't take on a mature and realistic tone. Sonic Lost World is one good example. I find it creative, magical, enchanted... even trippy, at times.

But unfortunately, you're right about Klonoa himself, what I'm implying. Canonically, if we were to compare the two characters, Sonic just... stomps all over Klonoa in terms of abilities. I'd hate to be blunt, but Klonoa is indeed very weak as he stands now in the main games. Klonoa Heroes, however, puts him in an entirely different light, and is one of the main motivators for my Super form for him.

That said, however, I did enjoy the main games. Moreso Klonoa 2 than K1, due to how epic it is. K1's kinda boring and laidback in that regard, really, but I still found some enjoyment out of it. Despite Klonoa 2 being the best and Klonoa Heroes going for the badass tone, it's still nowhere near the level of awesomeness found in Sonic and the other stuff I like.

Perhaps your definition of awesome is different than mine. *shrug*

Klonoa himself has a destiny, a very tragic one. The fact that he can shoulder the pain of each of every world that he enters, the pain of the people who need his help, and even his own personal pain, for all of eternity requires some -serious- physical AND mental fortitude on his part. He's had his own strength, and it's all he's ever really needed.

You've already said this on Steam, to me... Uh, quite frankly, I think you're looking a bit too deeply into this. Actually, the same could be said for pretty much every long-running hero out there. So its a little pointless to be saying this. And "for all of eternity?" You're implying that he doesn't age and that he doesn't have a life outside of his destiny. Well, the ending of K2 is implying otherwise.

It's up to Namco on this as I've said, but tell me, how long is it going to be unti his strength is not enough to fight the nightmares? Especially if he's alone and if his Ring doesn't work? What, then? Is he just going to blindly punch the enemy into oblivion, or what? Will he just summon this extraordinary strength out of nowhere, without any explanation? ...Rather, how long is it going to be until people get tired of the same old outcome, where he just saves the day with his Ring alone? I mean, I would.

You and the others seem to think that the Super form concept is some invincible god who obliterates everything with ease. Trust me, it isn't. Super forms still struggle against their opponents, yet with an extra bit of strength or wit, they can triumph. It all depends on how the battle goes and/or if they're going for that badass factor, really.

With that said, if you guys still find it to be an insult, then that's just you. =/

It's nice that you have supporters, like-minded people are valuable to have, but as you've built this fanbase-within-a-fanbase, you've led yourself to believe that your group has become a decisive portion of the main Klonoa fanbase, and in doing so, think that the fanbase is split when you find out that there are people who don't agree with you and your concept. That's not true at all. The fanbase isn't split. If anything, you yourself created this "split" you've mentioned, so you have no one to blame but yourself.


When I said that the fanbase is split, I mean not just this obvious rift between us, but the people within your implied "unified" fanbase. They may not be around now, but in the past, I've seen people fight and argue over which Klonoa game they like, which Klonoa design they prefer, etc etc. I've seen people hate the blue-clothed Klonoa, and prefer the first design by a huge margin. So if anything, the split IS there, and it takes a large site to show it well, not a measly forum like ShiftyLook's.

As for me, well, I may be responsible for this stuff in the current era, but people have been doing crossovers for a long time. Much longer. So I'm not THE originator of it at all. If there's anyone to blame, though, its Namco themselves for doing the similarities, even if they were unintended.

And btw, I should note that I've been seeing this anti-Sonic air around the SL forums for a while now. You seem to be treating us as not being part of the fanbase, that we are not true Klonoa fans. Is that the consensus on the forums? 'Cause it seems like it to me.

We're fans just as much as you are, even if some of us aren't as knowledgeable as I am. There is no "true" fan. So please, wake up and get it out of your head.

Thanks.
Reply
:iconhelloapples:
HelloApples Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013
Muuv here from the ShiftyLook forums.

I like the Klonoa series because the games have immense amount of charm to them. They're very innocent and childlike, with plenty of diverse, beautiful settings, and interesting, whimsical concepts, but with aspects that any person who plays games can enjoy. I like Klonoa himself, though I both respect and pity him greatly. His destiny is not a kind one, as we both know that he's forced to  save dream worlds, leave his friends behind, and is unable to see how the world and friends he saved flourish on account of his efforts. A cruel fate, one that he can't escape from. As much as he saves everyone else, no one can save him.

Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil is my favorite game of all time. A world devoid of sadness and depression, completely forgotten by the people. While it's absolutely natural to believe that such a world would be ideal, you need to take into account that mental anguish of the sort is needed for people to grow and mature. The way I see it, if the world rejects sorrow so collectively that it is erased from the memories of the world, then they reject being actual living beings. People who play the game know that because that has happened, the emotional balance of the world is thrown off scale to such a degree that the people remain in their own region, experiencing nothing else that life has to offer them. They're "alive", but they're not really alive.

Lunatea's Veil has no antagonist at all. This is something that I truly believe.
Reply
:iconvincentmrl:
Vincentmrl Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013
I agree with you in all the text you wrote.
And yes, there's no antagonist in Lunatea's Veil, King of sorrow just wanted to be remembered.
Reply
:iconvincentmrl:
Vincentmrl Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
I hate all the klonoa/sonic crossovers cause they ruin the series for me, I hate the RP too cause I want official stories, not stories that suck. Klonoa is awesome because you can feel the passion put in the games, when I first played it, I loved everything of it.
Reply
Add a Comment: